Police plan cannabis protest crack down
Fri, 6 Jun 2008
By Sarah Harvey
http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/8628/police-plan-cannabis-protest-crac...
Dunedin police are to clamp down on a University of Otago cannabis-smoking protest group, saying there is evidence gangs and convicted drug dealers are infiltrating it.
University student services director David Richardson said the university was aware gang affiliates and drug dealers had been attracted to the "4:20" protests, and it was "very concerned".
The concerns had been raised with police, who had been asked to respond.
However, the leader of the Otago branch of marijuana law reform group Norml, which has held protests on the campus for four years, said the majority of protesters were students, and non-students were asked to leave.
Dunedin area commander Inspector Dave Campbell said the activities of the group, which held protests on Wednesdays and Fridays, had to stop.
"They are certainly not welcome on the campus if they are going to flout the law," Insp Campbell said.
"At the moment, they are thumbing their noses at the authorities."
Norml is aligned to the Otago University Student's Association Clubs and Societies group, and this year it has attracted up to 100 people to its twice-weekly protests.
The university has consistently said it does not condone illegal activities of any kind.
Mr Richardson said the university had noticed an increase in numbers at the protests.
Insp Campbell said police had monitored the group for several months, and was concerned "known gang members" were associating with the group, along with known cannabis dealers and people with drug dealing convictions.
Secondary school pupils had also been seen with the group.
Police estimated about one-third of the people at the protests were not students.
Otago Norml spokesman Abe Gray confirmed gang members and underage people had tried to join the group, but he said they were turned away.
A group of drunk people had also been turned away from a protest, he said.
Insp Campbell said police would work to remove the group from the campus by issuing trespass notices to non-students. This had been authorised by proctor Simon Thompson.
Students seen smoking cannabis would be referred to the proctor.
A small number of trespass notices had already been issued to non-students. The notices were issued off campus.
Insp Campbell said it was difficult to gather enough evidence to prosecute the group on cannabis charges.
If the group continued to congregate, police would continue to issue trespass notices.
"Put it this way - we have enough photocopy paper to continue to make trespass notices for a long time yet."
Insp Campbell said trespass notices would be issued "on the spot", and he hoped the students would have enough sense to "move on".
University staff believed the "vast majority" of students did not want the group on their campus.
Mr Gray said the group was sick of threats from the police, who had failed to put any of their words into actions.
He believed they were using scare tactics. The group was acting on what it believed was a public mandate for the law on cannabis to be changed, he said.
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Politicians make the laws. . .
Submitted by McFlock on Thu, 12/06/2008 - 12:13am.
NORML break laws, and they want the University to break laws, too.
Regardless of the "unjust law" argument, it's not just about the University suddenly "choosing" to make a big deal out of marijuana smoking. The fact is that the Misuse of Drugs Act also outlaws people from allowing their premises to be used for the consumption of drugs, a $500 fine or 6 months (if charged summarily).
So, a student wants to smoke up. Another student, who has more regard for the law, has a problem with this and calls Campus Watch. If the Campus Watch person does nothing, the complainant might call the police, putting the Campus Watch member at legal risk. If the CW member asks the smoker to put it out, and the smoker does, then the law is served (and the smoker can be a bit more discreet later). If the smoker does not, then the CW person can either put themselves at risk of a $500 fine (and a drugs charge which will do their security career no end of good he said sarcastically) or call the police and put the university at risk of another bleating press release by paranoiacs.
I know which I'd prefer. All stoners have to do is be a little bit discreet and enable the University to officially believe it doesn't occur, as has been the practise in previous years.
It's disingenuous of NORML to pretend that they're doing anything other than putting the University in the position of either breaking the law or "oppressing" stoners. NORML is a political group that is using the publicity generated by their self-generated victim-status to try and lobby for a law change - which will not happen as long as Anderton is in parliament (given his attitude to BZP, NO2, etc). So it's self promotion for the sake of self promotion, and Campus Watch is the "gestapo" which, I guess, makes Abe Gray Dunedin's very own Anne Frank.
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I can't agree
Submitted by Stevel on Sat, 07/06/2008 - 7:35pm.
I can't agree with Willie. Sure, the police are beating around the bush, and in the process doing neither themselves nor the university authorities any service. But the 'you break the law you must be charged' argument is so black and white that it's ridiculous. People are not robots ruled by a binary program, and neither is any justice system, especially when historical prohibitions, despite being legal, cannot be justified by evidence that the harm outweighs the benefits. Furthermore, laws can in general only be enforced if most people agree with such measures, since most people obey most laws most of the time without anyone having to pay taxes to employ enforcers. Simplistic black and white logics do not lead to better health, better human rights, and better justice. Or lower taxes! Now, as for leaving laws for lawmakers to decide, umm, perhaps Willie's argument undermines what it means to live in a democracy? The basic concept is that the people who are affected by government, through its laws among other things, should direct the forms, make up, and laws. Our history of at least some improvements in human rights, such as repeals of laws promoting slavery, racism, religious monopolies, homophobia, and misogyny in marriage, as well as alcohol prohibition, has been a history of activist popular opposition in public combined with quiet evasion and resistance in private. The private activity confronted the police and their budgets, while the public activities confronted politicians and their legitimacy. This is a good recipe for good reforms. Police tactics to date have been to push disinformation about the student protest group in an attempt to create stigma and distrust. Its a well known psychological warfare tactic, so hardly worth commenting on. More interesting is the sense that our universities, Otago in this case, are shifting away from a collegial model where the goal is to promote open communication in order to serve as the critic and conscience of society. Otago University seems instead to be shifting towards a corporate hierarchal model, where the laws of the era, which later eras will regard in hindsight as primitive and flawed, take precedence over open communication and direct action critiques. Hierarchies take obedience to laws very seriously, since that is their foundational structure. That is how, in th army and in commercial empires, power is used to maintain structures of dominance and exploitation. But knowledges are not hierarchal. Knowledges are communicative and persuasive. Knowledges are ethical. I am concerned that when Universities move in their structure away from openess, towards corporate closure, their engagement with knowledges will also be dragged into the Proctor's office! So let us celebrate the reforms that give our society the knowledges and reasoning to be hopeful, and let us carry out further reforms, as the Otago University student cannabis reformers are doing. Steve Luke
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You've lost me...
Submitted by Willie on Thu, 12/06/2008 - 2:48pm.
You've lost me in a maze of gobbledegook, Steve. Just what HAVE you been smoking? There are many legitimate ways to lobby for law change in a democracy, without resorting to ignoring or breaking those laws. The lawbreakers are not lawmakers. Lawmakers are democratically elected.
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Police plan cannabis protest crackdown
Submitted by newsbud on Fri, 06/06/2008 - 1:33pm.
Aren't laws funny. With out them we are free to chose what we want do and with them we all become criminals. If the vast majority of students are upset at the protests then why have we not heard from them yet? I believe that the vast majority of students are too busy to look up from their study papers and see the enslavement that is slowly creeping into their evey day life. Next thing well see students having to wear symbols to signify them as students, and we all know that they currently live in the gettos.
newsbud.
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Come on, Inspector Campbell
Submitted by Willie on Fri, 06/06/2008 - 1:06pm.
What can be so difficult about charging people who are blatantly offending in public? It seems to me that police are beating around the bush by threatening to issue non-students with trespass notices. Whether the group members are students, gang affiliates, drug dealers or secondary school pupils is irrelevant. If they're breaking the law they should be charged. And as for Mr Gray's claim of a public mandate for a change of cannabis law, isn't that a matter for the lawmakers?
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yup
Submitted by zfh10 on Fri, 06/06/2008 - 3:09pm.
Fully agree with Willie.
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Come on, Inspector Campbell
Submitted by newsbud on Fri, 06/06/2008 - 1:42pm.
Without the gutsy efforts made by Mr Gray and the protesters then the issue would not be heard or discussions like this would not occur. Now is not the time for arrests, now is the time for debate, discussions and rethinking our dated laws on cannabis and other drugs. We all have the ablity to make or brake the law.
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